August 25th 2008

Shroud of Turin easily debunked

There is just no end of religious-proselytizing-as-news in the paper. Aug. 23 the Strib had a near-half-page article making it out that the Shroud of Turin might be authentic. This is a letter sent by Marie Alena Castle in response. Will it get printed? Doubtful!

Will the media ever stop promoting the Shroud of Turin as possibly authentic, as in your Aug. 23 article? Here’s all anyone needs to know to debunk claims of authenticity:

• The Shroud appeared around 1355 in Lirey, France. In 1389, Bishop Pierre d’Arcis of that diocese wrote to Pope Clement VII objecting to treating the Shroud as genuine. He said a church official at Lirey had, “falsely and deceitfully, being consumed with the passion of avarice, and not from any motive of devotion but only of gain, procured for his church a certain cloth cunningly painted, upon which by a clever sleight of hand was depicted the twofold image of one man, that is to say, the back and the front, he falsely declaring and pretending that this was the actual shroud in which our Savior Jesus Christ was enfolded in the tomb, . . .” Bishop d’Arcis said a predecessor, Bishop Henri de Poitiers, had “discovered the fraud and how the said cloth had been cunningly painted, the truth being attested by the artist who had painted it, . . .”

• The image on the back shows a full bloody footprint, requiring the knee to be bent. The front image shows the leg straight. The legs are disproportionately long.

• The hair and blood flow straight downward instead of toward the back, as when a body is lying down. The blood is not running into the hair and matting it but flowing over it.

• Read Looking for a Miracle by Joe Nickell and see how easy it is to create a “Shroud” image. Making a fake Shroud was no problem for a medieval artist.


6 Responses to “Shroud of Turin easily debunked”

  1. Secular Sanity (the moral high ground of Atheism) is bent out of shape over the Shroud of Turin « Shroud of Turin Blog on 25 Aug 2008 at 11:03pm #

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  2. Athiestvoices on 26 Aug 2008 at 12:16am #

    It is at least a piece of “evidence” of the supposed crucifixion, or existence for that matter, that can be examined. It will I am sure if allowed to be examined prove itself a hoax.

  3. Bill Sisson on 03 May 2009 at 11:42am #

    The scientific tests are virtually useless. As in most good paintings, we see what appears to be a three dimensional presentation on a two dimensional surface. If we look at, primarily, the face, arms and legs, it appears that the shroud would have had to been “tucked-in” about the legs and arms to give it a three dimensional form; that is, not draped over the body.
    Look at the face. It appears to be a three dimensional image, as if one was facing someone. Now, try this experiment…wrap your face in something like a dishtowel, pillowcase, etcetera. Now, mark the position of your nose, cheekbones and back of your ears where they occur under the material. Now, remove the material and lay it out flat (as is the shroud) and notice the distortion of the positions of the ears. The ears will be several inches farther apart on the, now, two dimensional image. So, if the shroud had been wrapped around the face, we would see tremendous facial distortion once the shroud had been laid out flat.
    Also, there is too much detail in the face. Eye lids and sockets; a neat beard, not one that looks as if it had been wrapped and pressed down. The same goes for the hair.
    To get the image shown on the shroud, one would have to stretch the shroud tightly and a bit above the body of Christ and a projection made onto the shroud’s surface from beneath. I don’t believe this was a common Jewish burial ritual at that time.
    As a plus, Bibically, He was wrapped in strips of cloth, not placed in a shroud.
    Does all this sound reasonable to anyone out there?

  4. David Allard on 10 Jan 2010 at 05:12pm #

    EXODUS 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
    Jesus was King David, and was in prison for years , tried drugs, made love, and slept with mary magdeline, a sexually happy, karate expert that hung upside down until he reversed gravity and floated on water. A karate expert and sex expert is a Buddhist Monk. Infinitum north pole ice age and brown wooly mammoth wool elephants and green eyed neanderthal king Davids on his head and both shoulders-HOLY SHROUD -VATICAN-Resurrection of King David 6ft 4in 308 lbs of white german legendary god of sex, war and thunder (THOR) The lord was a barbarian and warlord. David said slaves submit to your masters, submit to the authorities. The lord was not infinitum cottonsheep gorillas on his head and both shoulders,enough monkey business oo oo aa aa, blacks are Gorillas..Remember slaves submit to your masters ..Obama is a demonic rat(democrats are evil.) Israel and America are lands of the free and homes of the brave, they are Republics. Demonic rats (democrats) do not realize Bush was saving Israel.. Read books of wisdom, judges, numbers, death penalties. Godly people do not need to go to church and are Republican , veterans, and police helping save America and the homeland of the chosen jews. All animals and anything meek goes to heaven, especially gays which are born gay. God is about patriotism, capitalism, buddhism and the true church is Roman Catholic..Lords prayer and blood and body on sunday and no talk about the devil. They (born again christians) worship me with there lips but I know them not, most born agains who are zealous like sharpton, jackson, and reverend wright will fry. Psychologically sound(spiritual people) say God loves you and I love you, have sex and do not go to church. Buddhism, Catholocism, and Wailing wall in Jerusalem are good, rest are false. I and my father David are one and the same King Davids (warlords who believe sunday is a day of non judgement). Free world must save Israel and America. God and the son of God and me King David love America and love Israel.. gods are white and lucifers are black..
    I am the Lord King David .The black lord that negroes pray to is lucifer .
    Jesus was David and screwed a dozen women, i am his great grandson from mary magdelines family tree.. Bush was wonderful saving Israel, the homeland of the jews. I am his great etc… grandson thru mary magdelas bloodline of his son from her giving birth. I was in prison and you loved me.The lord ws indeed a convict. The two gods in heaven blessed america and israel. Republicans, veterans, and police are disciplined trinities and have everlasting life. demonic-rats like obama fry forever in torment with all the other disloyal blacks who prayed to the black lucifer that they thought was god. The gods love Israel and love america and are willing to die for both countries. The lord hated blacks and even killed a few of them in prison. The lord brought the judicial system. and brought war, not peace but a sword. Obama should defend Israel. Godly people are Republicans, veterans, and police.

  5. EnlightenedOne on 02 May 2010 at 10:32am #

    @David Allard

    Although I seriously doubt it, I hope that comment was meant to be deeply and severely sarcastic. If not, it is mind blowing that people who think like you stil exist! Come on man, seriously?!? Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that it is ultimately your European relatives that control and installed the “demonic rat” you speak of, all those before him, and all those to come. He does have one thing over the dirty drunk inbred redneck that he replaced: At least when he lies he does it eloquently. By the way, Lucifer, if there ever was such an entity, is referred to as the bringer of light. But in your world bringer of light is translated into “black lord”. And I’m sure there are plenty of Republicans, veterans, and police that are Atheists. Whatever rock people like you crawled from under or hole you burrowed out of, you need to return, and most expeditiously! Make haste infidel!

  6. EnlightenedOne on 02 May 2010 at 10:46am #

    All foolishness aside, whenever scientific evidence is prestented to the sheeple, they don’t accept it anyway. Better to side with the talking snake, bushes that burn infinitely, walking on water, zombies, etc., than real evidence. I guess most people would rather believe a fabulous fairy tale than evidence, right? I think it was in Bill Maher’s documentary “Religulous” where it was asked of one “believer” that if the fairy tales that were read to her as a child were switched around with the miracles in the bible, would she be able to distinguish the two. I doubt it, as they are both unbelievable, and good entertainment at best. Time to shake off the shackles of the ultimate tool of enslavement. After all, what better a master than an all-seeing, all-knowing mean guy who loves you so very much but will send you to a place where you will suffer forever for screwing up?!? I wouldn’t wish that upon my worst enemy, and I am not divine by any means. How about the rest of you?

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